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Other Naval Games => Space Naval Games => Topic started by: BrdingPrty1 on July 04, 2016, 08:15:07 pm
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First, Dropfleet Commander.
Second, Fleet Commander-Genesis.
And now this!
(http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Shattered-Void-1.jpg)
Astivar Collective
I was going to pass on this one until I saw the ships above!
The "COLLECTOR" strikes again! :'( :'(
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Link?
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@Fracas
Fracas sounds like what happens when I try and post Links. ;) :-\
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wdm/shattered-void-the-sci-fi-dogfighting-tabletop-war (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wdm/shattered-void-the-sci-fi-dogfighting-tabletop-war)
For the ship pics:
http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2016/review-shattered-void/ (http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/2016/review-shattered-void/)
Hope this works.
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Well well well, looks like someone wants a piece of the tabletop starfighter combat market that X-Wing has tied up so nicely...
This looks interesting. The EEF fighter designs are OK, but I really do like the Vitruvian and Astivar ships. From watching the trailer on Kickstarter, the gameplay looks to be a little more complicated than X-Wing--makes me wonder if they'll siphon off some of that crowd, or if this will appeal to a different kind of gamer.
I'm curious about the damage decks. It wasn't explained in the video about which damage deck you draw from. I would guess it's based on the weapons that you're firing at your opponent. If so, that's a neat mechanic, but will add a little bit of "bookkeeping" to the game.
From a gameplay standpoint, those little tokens that signify what maneuver you're going to use, and that large maneuver template, look to be somewhat problematic. When you have several ships in very close proximity (something that happens all the time in X-Wing), it looks like it will be difficult to use that template without bumping other ships. And I can see some people having a hard time picking up those little round tokens off the fighter's base to reveal their maneuver (although I guess you could just place it on the mat behind the ship).
Hate to keep drawing comparisons to X-Wing, but it's the Reigning King of Tabletop Starfighter Combat right now, so those comparisons are probably inevitable. Speaking of which, that second link to the German website has some pictures farther down on the page of some of the Shattered Void starfighters along with fighters from X-Wing and Aeronautica Imperialis. They all look to be in roughly the same size range.
Their Kickstarter campaign is humming along nicely, it would seem. BrdingPrty, thanks for posting this. Did you pledge? I'm tempted to jump in, but I think I'll hold for now until we get more information on gameplay.
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Sad part is, X-Wing should not be king of dogfighting games - there's just too many internal imbalances and limited design space that leads to rampant "net-decking".
But then maybe I'm just griping because I have fonder memories of SILENT DEATH.
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Looks interesting. X-Wing does have a pretty good corner on the market right now though.
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Sad part is, X-Wing should not be king of dogfighting games - there's just too many internal imbalances and limited design space that leads to rampant "net-decking".
But then maybe I'm just griping because I have fonder memories of SILENT DEATH.
Good points, but it does have several things going for it: 1) Star Wars, 2) well-painted, pre-painted miniatures, 3) Star Wars, 4) an easy-to-learn rule set, and 5) Star Wars. Not saying it's right, I'm just saying it is. That being said, X-Wing to me is similar to bowling: it's fun to play if you're playing with people who don't take it too seriously, but as soon as a "pro" shows up, it stops being fun because you just get hammered. That's been my experience, anyway.
The Shattered Void rules are available to download for free from their Kickstarter page. Standard caveats apply, these rules may not be the final edition, etc. What I'm reading so far has me interested. I like that you move a ship and shoot, and your target can choose to react or not. I also am intrigued that the miniatures are not pre-painted. That works well for an established IP like Star Wars or Star Trek, but this is not an established IP, so I feel you have a little more leeway (and yes, I understand you can repaint the SW miniatures if you want to).
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@LLbr: You're welcome.Not pledged yet. Ready to go as soon as the Astivar Collective ships become official. Pledge Gregg make me proud!!
@Dale: Silent Death is still out there. The Minis and rule books are still available. I purchased a few of the mins several months ago when they were having a 20% off sale. The owner goes by BlackWidowPilot on the TMP/TheMiniaturesPage and SCN/StarshipCombatNews forums.
@MrkyMrk70: U Know U Want To!!
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Mmmm...maybe. I'd like to see what stretch goals are unlocked over the next couple weeks. If they continue to raise money at the rate they're going (they're about 97% funded with 25 days still in the campaign), they're going to need to pony up more stretch goals than they currently have available. Right now it looks as if they only have two stretch goals remaining (the Astivar are unlocked now, it looks like)--Wave 1 and Wave 2 ships, and I didn't see anywhere on the page when those will unlock. The Astivar were unlocked at roughly the $13k pledge level; hopefully it won't be that high to unlock the Wave 1 & 2 ships, since they aren't new factions, just new ships for the existing factions.
I like the aesthetic for all three factions, probably the Vitruvians the most, but that EEF Jaguar light gunship in the Wave 1 ships is pretty sweet.
After reading through the rules, the game looks fun. Could probably print off the templates and give it a test run using X-Wing miniatures. There is a bit of bookkeeping involved--pilot skill ratings change based on maneuvers executed, capacitor charge changes over the course of the turn, etc. The inclusion of the plastic stat trackers for each ship in the Lieutenant pledge level will help out with that. It does look as if gameplay won't be quite as smooth as X-Wing, but will be a little more in-depth. Movement reminds me of Aeronautica Imperialis (the ONE game of AI I have played, that is), except there is no altitude change.
I did a little research on Silent Death...I'm not a big fan of hex movement for miniatures games. The ship models look cool though.
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So, I watched the background and gameplay videos, and I have the following observations:
1. The fluff strikes me as Firefly with Aliens. Which isn't a bad thing!
2. The movement system seems like a hybrid between the FlightPath engine and more traditional miniature game movement. Overall, it seems solid, though the odd looking maneuver template strikes me as bit gimmicky, perhaps.
2a. The little number tokens they are shown to be placing on the bases for maneuver selection of the ships seem a bit fiddly!
3. Shooting and damage, like movement, seem to be an evolution of the X-wing/Attack Wing system
4. It's not a D6 system!
5. The bases used buck the trend of putting a lot of info on the base, which is interesting. The shape of the bases are still unique, though.
6. The miniatures they are showing are OK...not terrible, but not great. The detail and designs look more like they come from a board game than a minis game to me TBH.
Overall, this looks like a solid offering, but it is probably a pass for me. Part of is that my main interest is not in dog fighting games. I already own X-wing and Attack Wing, and this doesn't seem to do anything drastically different or better than either of those games.
Sad part is, X-Wing should not be king of dogfighting games - there's just too many internal imbalances and limited design space that leads to rampant "net-decking".
But then maybe I'm just griping because I have fonder memories of SILENT DEATH.
It's funny...I've always heard that X-wing balance is relatively good compared to the hot mess that Star Trek Attack Wing has apparently become!
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X-Wing to me is similar to bowling: it's fun to play if you're playing with people who don't take it too seriously, but as soon as a "pro" shows up, it stops being fun because you just get hammered.
Excellent analogy!
@Dale: Silent Death is still out there. The Minis and rule books are still available. I purchased a few of the mins several months ago when they were having a 20% off sale. The owner goes by BlackWidowPilot on the TMP/TheMiniaturesPage and SCN/StarshipCombatNews forums.
A lot of good old stuff is still available, but without a "live" game product, its damn hard to get someone to play against. :-)
Also, dead games tend not to evolve or resolve issues.
I've always heard that X-wing balance is relatively good compared to the hot mess that Star Trek Attack Wing has apparently become!
Better than STAW open-format by far, and the meta has been shifting rapidly. But still a "net-deck" experience in competition. It still not balanced in the way we think of Firestorm or even revised BFG.
I've also noticed that the X-Wing design space centers on 2-4 Attack Dice, 2-4 Defense Dice. STAW effectively doubles that range. But within those limits, you really lack a lot of design space for distinction between ships. I prefer systems with a little more crunch. (And no, that has nothing to do with once being a TOG INTERCEPTOR player...) ;-)
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Dale, can you explain "net-decking"? I think I know what it means, but I'm not sure.
BTW, I use that same analogy for volleyball.
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Dale, can you explain "net-decking"? I think I know what it means, but I'm not sure.
BTW, I use that same analogy for volleyball.
I've always understood the term to mean that someone gets online and looks up a build that has been successfully used in other competitions, copies it exactly, and then uses it in another event. A common problem across all game systems that have a large and active competitive organized play scene, like 40k and Magic. See also "net-listing."
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Dale, can you explain "net-decking"? I think I know what it means, but I'm not sure.
As Ruckdog explains, but with the added clarification that NetDecks exist because there are widely acknowledged builds that overpower most to all comers. And tourneys and events can bog down to who brought what Scissor for which Paper for which Rock. And anyone running a "fun" list (even if solid) can be left in the dirt.
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OK, not quite the process I thought, but same outcome. Seems awfully lazy to just copy other "winning" lists. I mean, I've solicited advice before on how to beat one faction with another faction (in DW and Firestorm Armada), but I've never copied a complete fleet list.
I have experience with this. Participated in a store X-Wing tourney a few years ago...ran the "Red Squadron" list, all the named Red Squadron pilots I could cram into 100 points. Antilles, Skywalker, Dreis, and Darklighter. No upgrades for any of them, because I didn't have the points. Got crushed in every round. I thought it was a creative list, but creativity doesn't matter in that setting.
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In other news, the Shattered Void Kickstarter is less than $1k from being funded. Still on the fence about jumping in; if I do, it will be after they are successfully funded (what can I say, I like to hedge my bets). I'm kinda partial to starfighters, and also kinda partial to games that don't have a wide player base (no idea why), so...maybe. If nothing else, if BrdngPrty pledges, I might pester him to add a few ships to his pledge for me just to have on the hobby shelf. Shoulda done that when MarkyMark pledged for Dropfleet...
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I would say if you are interested, then go ahead and jump in! It's not like you will owe them anything if the campaign fails.
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@Gregg,
Well U know I'm mainly in it for the Minis! ;) :)
If U want to add to my pledge let me know.
What faction did U like in Dropfleet Commander?
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I'm thinking about pledging for one fleet. I like how those bolbous alien ships look, it's a fairly unique design in a sleek spaceship world.
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@BrdingPrty, yeah I know you're in it for the minis, we just gotta get you to start PLAYING with those minis at some point. :D Thanks for the offer, but I think I might go ahead and pledge on my own. Looks like they are now funded. I think it might be fun little one-off game, something with a little more depth than X-Wing but still starfighter combat.
For Dropfleet, I really like the look of the UCM and PHR ships.
@Quickdraw, that's a good point, I didn't think about the Astivar fighters bucking the "sleek" trend.
If I pledge, I'll most likely go with the two squadrons option...was thinking about Vitruvian and Astivar, but I might do EEF and Vitruvian and add a few of the Wave 1 and 2 ships (if they get unlocked) for those factions.
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Those Vitruvian look like the human fighters (or was it the Drac) from Enemy Mine. Pretty fun. And I dig the thruster exhaust from what looks to be the human ships (as painted on that German website.
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Those Vitruvian look like the human fighters (or was it the Drac) from Enemy Mine. Pretty fun. And I dig the thruster exhaust from what looks to be the human ships (as painted on that German website.
Wow, Mark, 75 points for the obscure sci-fi movie reference! (no, those points aren't redeemable for anything).
Yeah, not sure about the thruster exhaust. I saw another review of the models where the reviewer took some pics of the ships and parts still on the sprue, and I didn't see the "thruster exhaust" pieces. Might have been added by that modeler. But yes, very cool.
Now that they're funded, they're promising some new information that's going to knock everyone's socks off at some point this week. Will be interesting to see what that is. Inching closer and closer to backing this...
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Yeah, not sure about the thruster exhaust. I saw another review of the models where the reviewer took some pics of the ships and parts still on the sprue, and I didn't see the "thruster exhaust" pieces. Might have been added by that modeler. But yes, very cool.
Now that they're funded, they're promising some new information that's going to knock everyone's socks off at some point this week. Will be interesting to see what that is. Inching closer and closer to backing this...
I'm looking forward to their mind blowing news.
Greg, if it helps you at all I fully intend on backing at the pilot level with the Astivar.
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So I guess part of the big news came yesterday--each of the three factions now has a fighter squadron and a support squadron from which to choose. However, I assume there is more to come, and hopefully soon, because they now have no stretch goals listed. The first stretch goal was 11k British pounds to unlock the Astivar. That's done...but nothing on the horizon, and they have 18 days to go.
Still really like the EEF and Vitruvians, especially the support ships for each. The EEF Jaguar and Ursus look pretty sweet, as does that Vitruvian stealth hunter. Still considering the Flight Lieutenant pledge, I'd like to have at least two different factions. Would likely tack on a couple of support ships for each faction for variety. The rules state you have to field at least 4 ships (of any type) in your squadron, would be good to have enough to run two different squadrons for each faction. But I'm going to hold a bit longer to see what their new stretch goals are. They keep teasing that they have lots more stuff...the support squadron ships are a good start.
My admittedly poor math skills tell me this is a bit cheaper than X-Wing. The most expensive ship shown thus far, one of the Vitruvian support ships I think, converts to about $13. I think all of the standard fighters for all three factions are less than $10. X-Wing ships start at $15. Yeah, they are pre-painted and pre-assembled and Star Wars, but still.
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So Landlubber, are you going in on this? If so I will as well. What are the trooper models for?
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Looks like there may be some larger ships coming.
I plan on going Quickdraw's route: pledging at the pilot level/Astivar but with a support sqdn add on.
@Zorper:
The troopers R 28mm versions of the 15mm troopers from white Dragon's first kickstarter. I think they are generic and don't have any specific rule set.
The 15mm versions are available for purchase on their website.
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Still on the fence. Really would like to see what their stretch goals are going to be, because I feel that will give us a better idea of where the game is headed. It does look cool, but I don't want to plunk down $100 for a system that doesn't have much future, no matter how much I like the miniatures--especially with Halo: Ground Command about to drop. So I'm going to give it a few more days to see what develops.
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Next stretch goals announced. At 12k British pounds, corvettes will unlock for each of the three factions. Interesting ship designs; the EEF and Vitruvian are elongated, whereas the Astivar looks more upright. The update says the corvettes are 15cm long, so around 6 inches. They also have the 3D render up for the one missing Vitruvian support ship, it's a fighter of some type. Pretty cool design.
Interestingly, their number of backers isn't going up, but the amount pledged is. People getting excited for the new shiny, I guess.
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New add-ons but no freebies...yet. The Astivar Corvette looks cool. With 18GBP at about $24 the total for this kickstarter is going up. :'(
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It's definitely starting to push past the point of affordable little side project. Looking at some pictures on BoW and google image searching they are roughly twice the size of some of the smaller ships. It's more then a Spartan "large" size resin ship. But fairly comparable to the pricing of X-Wing with large ships being twice the cost of the regular ships.
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Um...maybe I'm misunderstanding you. All the images of the fighters that I've seen make them look to be about the size of the various fighters in X-Wing. Or are you referring specifically to the Shattered Void corvettes?
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The Shattered Void corvettes look to be about twice the size of the other Shattered Void ships.
Separate train of thought...
For pricing purposes the corvettes are more then a comparably sized piece of resin from Spartan Games. But the pricing structure seems to follow the X-Wing structure where the large ships are twice the price of the small ships.
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Oh, ok I get it.
Well, if they break 12k, the Flight Lieutenant pledge and all the pledge levels above that get a free corvette.
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This kickstarter has been an interesting one. They've added more pledge levels and provided some free stuff at certain stretchgoals. However, the number of backers has stayed fairly stagnant. Also they broke the 12,000 GBP mark, meaning the first free things were added, but then fell below it again the next day.
It's hard to say where this one is going to go as of this point. They still have a week left though, maybe the last 48 hours will see some big changes as with other kickstarters in the past.
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@QDrw
Yeah it has been weird. They don't seem to want to give any real incentive/freebies to get people in. 5x D20 dice...really? Their previous kickstarter offered more. More ships R coming it seems so we'll see.
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OK, I pledged. Grabbed one of the Early Bird Flight Lieutenant pledges, it's 5 pounds less than the standard Flight Lieutenant pledge level. I'm going with the fighter squadrons for the EEF and Vitruvians, and will probably tack on a couple of support ships from each faction (really like those EEF gunships!). Not sure which corvette I'll pick, but likely either the EEF or Vitruvian. Those corvettes might also make good marauder or civilian ships in Firestorm Armada or Halo: Fleet Battles.
Anyone else taking the plunge?
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Sort of independent of each other, Greg and I both pledged at the same time.
As I said before I am doing the flight lieutenant level and I'll do the fighter and support squadrons of the Astivar. Along with the Astivar corvette. If anything else gets added to the kickstarter I'll be going the Astivar route as well.
If that isn't enough to peer pressure some more of you Colorado guys, I don't know what is :P
OK, I pledged. Grabbed one of the Early Bird Flight Lieutenant pledges, it's 5 pounds less than the standard Flight Lieutenant pledge level. I'm going with the fighter squadrons for the EEF and Vitruvians, and will probably tack on a couple of support ships from each faction (really like those EEF gunships!). Not sure which corvette I'll pick, but likely either the EEF or Vitruvian. Those corvettes might also make good marauder or civilian ships in Firestorm Armada or Halo: Fleet Battles.
Anyone else taking the plunge?
That EEF gunship is really cool looking. I like the look of the EEF corvette also, you should do that one. In general I haven't been too impressed by the aesthetic of the Vitruvian ships. So that's why I say do the EEF corvette.
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Okay. I will hop in. I'll go talking monkeys and vacuum cleaners.
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Okay. I will hop in. I'll go talking monkeys and vacuum cleaners.
OK, I've read the fluff and I can't figure out which factions you're referring to. I'm going to guess EEF and Astivar? :D
Also, I think I'll probably be unbeatable at this game. The objective is to roll lower than your pilot skill for most actions...and anyone who has played DW or Firestorm against me knows how I excel at rolling low! 8)
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Yep. EFF and Astivar.
I challenge you to a low roll competition anywhere, any time.
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Well...actually, I've never played a game with D20s, but I'm REALLY good at rolling low on D6s. Hopefully that skill transfers over to D20s.
However, in Shattered Void, it seems that you're trying to roll in a low zone, not necessarily a straight low roll. From what I understand of the rules, you have to roll under your pilot skill, but as close to it as possible. So...I might still be screwed.
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Well...actually, I've never played a game with D20s, but I'm REALLY good at rolling low on D6s. Hopefully that skill transfers over to D20s.
However, in Shattered Void, it seems that you're trying to roll in a low zone, not necessarily a straight low roll. From what I understand of the rules, you have to roll under your pilot skill, but as close to it as possible. So...I might still be screwed.
It's a system that they have taken from Infinity. It's a really good system. Since it's based on a D20 there is a much larger range of possibilities and because of that your model stats can have a wider range of difference. I think you guys will like it. The range means successes are consistent, but because of the nature of a D20 some crazy stuff can happen. Like with Spartan and the exploding 6 mechanic.
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Cool. Hoping they break the next unlock level so we get the Shattered Void D20s. Either way, I'll probably buy a few D20s to match the color of the damage dealt by the various weapons systems (i.e. green for kinetic, blue for energy, red for thermal).
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Looks like they broke the next unlock level. The Kickstarter is in it's last few days, who else is jumping in? Glad I have at least a couple other local opponents!
BrdingPrty, are you going to take the plunge? Is The Collector going to be able resist? :D
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They're promising another update in the next day or so too.
Edit:
Just got an email about the newest unlocks.
Unlocking at 14000GBP they'll add 9 new ships that can be tacked on separately to any pledge, and will provide a little commemorative pin and a different free ship to each pledge level.
We'll see if that is enough to entice more people into backing the project. Personally I think they should have thrown in one of the "to be unlocked" ships for free rather then one that everyone is already getting. It is more likely to get people to put more money in and try to hit that stretch goal.
The EEF ships both look pretty cool, and they've said that a redesign of the third EEF ship is on it's way. The Astivar got a carrier and a "drone swarm" which seems to fit their background. The swarm looks sort of bizarre to me though.
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The 13K/GBP stretch goal was kinda a joke..IMHO. 5 dice for 5GBP/$6.60?
The 14K/GBP stretch goal seems to be another "spend more for the opportunity to.....spend more" item. If their previous Kick starter is anything to go by, all these ships will be available on their website for the add on price, after the kick starter is over anyway, so why lock up the funds now when I could use the $$ for someHALO/FSAthing else.
@Gregg
Since I started this thread I feel kinda obligated to pledge. I will actually be mirroring QDrw's pledge: Flt Lt level, both Astivar squadrons, Astivar corvette.. but that's it. I have, however, spent my mini budget $$for the month so I will probably go in low and upgrade in the pledge mgr.
That being said "the Collector" is a little disappointed in how this is turning out. >:( >:(
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The 13K/GBP stretch goal was kinda a joke..IMHO. 5 dice for 5GBP/$6.60?
The 14K/GBP stretch goal seems to be another "spend more for the opportunity to.....spend more" item. If their previous Kick starter is anything to go by, all these ships will be available on their website for the add on price, after the kick starter is over anyway, so why lock up the funds now when I could use the $$ for someHALO/FSAthing else.
@Gregg
Since I started this thread I feel kinda obligated to pledge. I will actually be mirroring QDrw's pledge: Flt Lt level, both Astivar squadrons, Astivar corvette.. but that's it. I have, however, spent my mini budget $$for the month so I will probably go in low and upgrade in the pledge mgr.
That being said "the Collector" is a little disappointed in how this is turning out. >:( >:(
I too thought the 13k stretchgoal was a little strange. Especially since the 12k stretchgoal got all the Flight Lieutenant backers and above the free corvette. But I'm also not a Kickstarter veteran, so I'm still learning what makes a good campaign (or not a good campaign). This is only the second one I've pledged, the first being the DeepWars Blood Reef expansion. I watched the Dropfleet Commander Kickstarter campaign very closely and almost jumped in, but didn't. But even I know that campaign was not the norm--they raised almost a million dollars for that game.
Overall, I'm pretty happy with what I'm getting for my money for Shattered Void. I still think it's cheaper than X-Wing. And since I already have scenery, mats, etc that I can use for Shattered Void, I won't have to worry about going out to buy those items, which again in my mind makes it a cheaper game (for me, anyway). As opposed to Halo: Ground Command; I don't play any other ground games at that scale, so I'll have to buy scenery, mats, etc for that, making my initial buy-in more expensive than picking up another starfighter game.
Well, that makes four of us in this area with at least 7 squadrons of ships covering all three races, and we'll likely also have at least the EEF and Astivar corvettes. Since the estimated shipping date is December, maybe we should plan a Shattered Void games day sometime in January after we've all had time to put our ships together and get some basic paint on them. I know Quickdraw and I both have plenty of space terrain, so that wouldn't be an issue.
What do you guys think?
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Well, it looks like they've added another update. But...this one doesn't have any spaceships...
I'm happy with what I've pledged so far, but it doesn't look like we will be getting anything else fun before the end of the campaign.
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I'm down for a games day when the stuff ships.
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Well, it looks like they've added another update. But...this one doesn't have any spaceships...
I'm happy with what I've pledged so far, but it doesn't look like we will be getting anything else fun before the end of the campaign.
Yeah. REALLY curious about that next stretchgoal. I understand that they have another game out there, but...some sort of unlock/freebie for the starfighter game (which, ya know, is the whole point of this Kickstarter campaign) might have helped actually get them to that next stretchgoal. As someone who is not familiar with the company or their other product, I could really care less about models for their other game--what drew me in was the starfighter combat. So why should I increase my pledge or try to rally other people to pledge when the next several stretchgoals aren't really inspiring and in some cases don't even have a connection to the game I originally pledged for?
As I said earlier, I'm no Kickstarter veteran. But this campaign seems a little haphazard. It almost seems like they're relying on the few people who have seen this game and have picked up models here and there at Salute or wherever to bring it across the finish line. Not really a good business model for bringing in new players. Maybe they didn't expect to succeed, or maybe they just don't have enough other stuff for the universe to make more stretchgoals. Not sure.
I certainly don't regret backing the campaign, I just really am curious about some of their decisions. Would have been nice to see a fourth faction as a stretchgoal--even if it was just a basic fighter squadron. Or maybe some cool KS-exclusive miniature, or some KS-exclusive artwork for the game, or something along those lines.
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Well that's the end of that kickstarter campaign.
Nothing else groundbreaking came up, but I'm definitely happy with my pledge overall. We'll just have to keep an eye on anything else after the pledge manager gets going.
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As am I. I think it's going to be fun, and I see myself probably getting more ships once they're available through retail.
Quickdraw, we'll have to see if we can adapt some of the X-Wing scenarios to Shattered Void. We also have plenty of time to come up with new ones.
BrdingPrty, when we get together for our Shattered Void game day in January, we'll expect you to be there with your ships at least assembled since you got us all into this mess. :D
I guess I'm the only one who went with the Vitruvians?
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Yeah, I'm in too. The last stretch goals were weak IMO. It seems that they just did not want to offer ANY freebies, especially ships, very disappointing. >:(
My pledge is mirroring QDrw's, Astivar all the way.
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If anyone is interested, the Hub Systems Podcast devoted their latest episode to Shattered Void and did an interview with the game designers. I listened to it today, it's pretty good, and they drop a few tidbits about the future of the game that weren't discussed on the Kickstarter page. The episode was recorded about a week before the KS campaign ended.
You can find the Hub Systems Podcast on iTunes, or here:
http://mannmomo.blogspot.com/
The discussion of Shattered Void starts around the 1 hour 22 minute mark.
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I just listened to the episode. Interesting to hear that neither of these guys play X-Wing. Also interesting that they conceived of the idea before X-Wing started, so they truly did think they were filling a void in the market (pun intended).
It's cool to hear some of the inspirations they took for their game and see those in the rules. He said he is a big fan of Infinity and Aeronautica Imperialis. We can see both of those in the dice rolling combat mechanic and the maneuvering mechanic.
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Yeah, and the damage mechanic from EVE online.
They need to hurry up and get the pledge manager out to people! The Kickstart closed almost two weeks ago!
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Just FYI, I contacted White Dragon Miniatures because I was curious about when the pledge manager would come out. I heard back from them this morning, they said it would be out by the end of the week. Not sure when they're talking about, but I guess it'll be soon.
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OK, the pledge manager is FINALLY out.
For review/coordination purposes, here's what I'm selecting:
1 Vitruvian fighter squadron
1 EEF fighter squadron
1 EEF heavy fighter (Draconus)
1 EEF Hydra corvette
Orange dice
1 EEF Jaguar light gunship
1 Vitruvian Karsyn stealth hunter
1 pack of 10 stat trackers
Been awhile since I looked at the ship designs, forgot how much I like them. Really can't wait to get these! Let's definitely pick a day in January when we can all get together with our ships and get some games in. Quickdraw, three of the four of us live in Denver, so you'll probably have to come up here. :D
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I filled mine out. I went all Astivar. Both squadrons, the heavy fighter, and the corvette.
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Cool. I think we'll have a good selection of ships. I emailed the guys at WDM, they said they should have ships up on their webstore for sale after all the Kickstarter backers' orders have been fulfilled.
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Looks like there will be a delay in getting the ships produced, and thereby a delay in delivery. Hoping it's not too long! But I do have my shiny new Halo: Ground Command models to keep me busy in the meantime...
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It was interesting to see that they were bringing their production back in house. I guess how we'll see how it goes.
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New update from White Dragon. Looks like they're aiming to get pledge rewards to the backers before the SALUTE show in the UK, which is on 22 April. I'm guessing that Spartan will be late on their Kickstarter delivery as well...which means I'm going to have a whole bunch of models show up on my doorstep just as the weather is getting warmer here in Colorado and the summer hiking season is starting...dangit! ;D
First world problems, first world problems...
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FWIW. I got a shipping notice from Hawk that my Dropfleet kickstarter has finally shipped. Great game but appalling customer service from Hawk.
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FWIW. I got a shipping notice from Hawk that my Dropfleet kickstarter has finally shipped. Great game but appalling customer service from Hawk.
It's definitely been sub-optimal, to be sure. However, I personally reserve words like "appalling" for debacles like the Palladium Robotech KS. Compared to that, Hawk has been a model citizen ;).
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My real complaint with Hawk hasn't been delay, I semi-expected that with any KS but the communication has been literally non-existent. Judging by such basic things as Forum updates and email response, they are understaffed at a significant level.
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FWIW. I got a shipping notice from Hawk that my Dropfleet kickstarter has finally shipped. Great game but appalling customer service from Hawk.
Man, sorry to hear it. I got mine in early December and have not paid much attention to what's happened since. You'll forgive and (mostly) forget when you get them. They're sweet.
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They are forgiven. The models are sweet and they tossed in a significant number of "We are sorry for the delay" sprues and some other nice gubbins.
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They are forgiven. The models are sweet and they tossed in a significant number of "We are sorry for the delay" sprues and some other nice gubbins.
That's great to hear, that they've taken care of you. I don't think we've met, but I'm up here in Castle Rock. You and I may be the only ones in town with these things, we'll have to try a game.
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" You and I may be the only ones in town with these things, we'll have to try a game."
Heck yes. I'll complete 12 Scourge small ships by tomorrow and should have a total of 16 small and 10 cruiser size Scourge finished by mid-February.
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Hey! This thread is for Shattered Void! :P
But now that you've brought it up, I would be happy to get a demo game of Dropfleet whenever you guys have time. Pretty sure BrdgingPrty also pledged in the Kickstarter, so that's at least three of you in the area.
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" You and I may be the only ones in town with these things, we'll have to try a game."
Heck yes. I'll complete 12 Scourge small ships by tomorrow and should have a total of 16 small and 10 cruiser size Scourge finished by mid-February.
Oh, you mean I have to play with assembled models? Hmmm...
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We only need a few for that first scenario. I think the initial teaching scenario requires only 3 cruisers and 4 frigates. Target the week after Ghenghis con?
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If you blokes could manage to get the game in front of Greg before we record our next episode, I would be greatly appreciative 8)
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Will the 2/25-2/27 weekend still be enough time for that?
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Will the 2/25-2/27 weekend still be enough time for that?
Unfortunately no...we are planning on recording our DFC segments on Saturday.
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Bringing this thread back from the scrap pile...
It's funny, reading back over some of the comments that we all made during and immediately after the KS campaign about how White Dragon made a few questionable choices in the running of the campaign, their stretch goals, etc--maybe those were signs about how badly delayed the pledge rewards would be. We're coming up on a year since we should have received our starfighters. Pretty disappointing--this looked like it was going to be a pretty sweet game. It may still be, but as we have no concrete delivery date, there's no telling when we'll be able to experience it.
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I've totally written this game off.
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I haven't written it off, I'm just disappointed that we haven't seen our stuff yet. Hoping WDM gets their act together and gets us our stuff before the end of 2018.
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New update was just posted (#31). Looks like he’s making progress on casting, with a few hundred ships already made. Aiming to ship by the end of February.
Fingers crossed!
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New update, number 33...seems he's finally gotten someone to help him out. Even includes pics of some ships that have been cast. Moving in the right direction, slowly.
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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Funny, funny man. :D
Seriously, this KS is so late that when (if) we get our stuff it'll be like discovering a new game.
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Bringing this thread back to life
The latest update from White Dragon Miniatures came. He sent out the backer kit stuff again so that folks could update their address. If you backed and haven’t seen the email yet check your other folders. I had to update my address.
I also saw what I had originally backed, which I completely forgot, just can’t remember what any of it looks like ::)
We’re nearly 4 years from the original end date of the Kickstarter. I’m still essentially skeptical, but it seems there is progress.
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Bet you a Coke that we don't see it before 1 June 2020. :) I mean, I'm hoping we do...don't get me wrong. But I won't be surprised if we don't. I don't think the guy is dishonest, I just think he bit off WAY more than he could chew and had a run of bad luck with some stuff. But I'm in the same boat, at this point I can't hardly remember what I pledged for or even what it looks like. We'll definitely need to do a Front Range Shattered Void day either in Denver or the Springs once we all get our stuff.
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Bet you a Coke that we don't see it before 1 June 2020. :) I mean, I'm hoping we do...don't get me wrong. But I won't be surprised if we don't.
Ah, an optimist! The project is yet young.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/956591/yes-what-does-mean-front/page/585
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Ha! I wouldn't say this is my worst Kickstarter experience. That dubious honor unfortunately goes to the last Dystopian Wars Kickstarter campaign, wherein I pledged money but never got anything.
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Well, I owe QuickDraw a Coke! Got my starfighters today. Everything looks in order. Ships are very detailed and the models are beautiful. Pics to follow soon!
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Well, I owe QuickDraw a Coke! Got my starfighters today. Everything looks in order. Ships are very detailed and the models are beautiful. Pics to follow soon!
Can we define soon?
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Well, I owe QuickDraw a Coke! Got my starfighters today. Everything looks in order. Ships are very detailed and the models are beautiful. Pics to follow soon!
Can we define soon?
Hopefully before Christmas? Though that's a tight schedule now :D